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What Ford is calling its EcoBoost line of engines is slated to begin in the 2010 Lincoln MKS. It will use direct fuel injection into the combustion chamber. This increases horse power, and fuel economy. I had been wondering when the Bosch direct fuel injection system would ever make it to the marketplace. Here is the Ford article: http://www.autozone.com/N,16400218/shopping/partTypeResultSet.htm
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Joined: 8/27/2008 Posts: 390 Points: 1,170 Location: marion, ohio
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Mazda uses similar tech on their Speed3/cx-7 engine, Direct Inject Spark Ignition
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Mazda? Ford? What's the difference?
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Joined: 8/27/2008 Posts: 641 Points: 1,926 Location: Dust Bowl of Oklahoma
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Unless I'm seriously missing something I don't see any benefit at all. According to Ford, their Lincoln with the V-6 Eco Boost gets 16 in town and 25 on the highway. (assuming the factory is telling the truth here) Even the V-6 Lincolns w/o EB are only rated at 23-24 MPG. Well hxxx, my 4.6 Lincoln gets around 18 in town and 27 steady as a clock on the open road. The Lincoln LS my son/daughter in law traded off last year (3.9 V-8) also got 27-28 MPG on the road. Something I'm overlooking? How is a 6 banger getting fewer MPG an improvement over a V-8?
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How did they like that LS? I really like that vehicle, but don't know much about it.
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They liked it quite a bit and put about 90k mostly trouble-free miles on it. The only hiccup in that entire time was a cracked plastic coolant tank. I drove that car several times and it was a very smooth, solid handling car. Underneath the hood was a mechanical mess like my Lincoln Mark; a glass of water poured in up top would likely not run out the bottom! It's packed, and then some. They traded it in on a new AWD Dodge Caliber with the CVT transmission and my opinion of that thing is not near as high. Cheesey red and gray interior trim, a ton of plastic, and the backseat was apparently not made for a human body; either to ride on, get into, or get out of. I've already warned them several times that in the future they're going to regret getting rid of that Lincoln.
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wow, that's a huge step downward in terms of vehicles
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"Something I'm overlooking? How is a 6 banger getting fewer MPG an improvement over a V-8?"
It may have something to do with gearing... just a guess.
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I took a look at gear ratios on the Lincolns (LS, MKZ, MKS) and they're all about in the same neighborhood. It sure doesn't look like enough variance to make that big a difference on fuel mileage. (Agreed with you bscar, that the Caliber is a big drop as compared to the Lincoln they had. Something really sad is that while the V-8 Lincoln LS got 27-28 MPG the new Caliber with the 2.4 four-banger CVT gets 24-25 MPG. As of tomorrow and with only 25k miles on the clock, that Caliber is having to get a full set of pricy 18" tires to replace the originals which are gone already.)
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Well, 25k isn't that bad for a set of factory tires, is it?
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Maybe not; it's hard to say. The tires were actually about half gone at 15k miles; they've been coddling it along for the last 9k.
At least there's a little common sense prevailing. Found out the other night my daughter was seriously considering buying a Chrysler Crossfire; that half Benz sports car. Since these cars never sold well and obsoleted quickly, parts are very difficult to obtain, and Chrysler was even dumping some of them off on overstock.com I just knew this was an accident waiting to happen. Lo and behold, she showed up last night and surprised me by backing out on the Crossfire and buying an '05 Mustang!
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Plenty of parts for the Mustang, even 40 years later. How does the son/daughter in law like the Caliber anyways?
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They like the Caliber quite a bit. Of course, when the CVT drops dead or something equally pricy occurs their opinion may change pretty quickly...... I drove it once and was not impressed at all. Those rear seats are horrible except for someone who only exists in 2 dimensions.
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Well, it is essentially a Neon wagon, isn't it? I had considered test driving one awhile back, but I figured a Vibe would be pretty much the same thing, and with a bit better reputation for reliability than Dodge has.
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The Caliber shares nothing with the Neon except the Dodge name.
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Hmm, I thought it did. Must be the PT cruiser I'm thinking of then.
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bscar wrote:Hmm, I thought it did. Must be the PT cruiser I'm thinking of then. The Vibe is nothing like the neon either. The Pontiac Vibe is nothing more than a GM body sitting on a Toyota Corolla/Matrix frame. Except for a little of the outside styling it's the same vehicle. I just bought a 2004 Toyota Matrix XR and last week I spotted a Vibe in a mall lot parked away from other vehicles. I couldn't say what year it was, but it looked fairly new. Anyway, I parked next to it and after walking around them both, I figured aside from the front body design and badge it's basically the same. It's got the same 1.8L engine in it. I like mine better though.
The trouble with doing nothing is not knowing when you're finished.
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Yes, the PT Cruise is based on the Neon.
The Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix are essentially Corolla station wagons.
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RR: I meant in terms of body style. I.E. wagon
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